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Incorrect wing feathers?

Posted by dinohunter1 on 16 Jan 2014 at 02:47 GMT

There is a major problem with this study, and others like it, whether by Martin, Burnham, etc. Archaeopteryx, Microraptor, and all those close to them may not have had convert feathers. The feathers between the elbow and body. Wellnhofer (2009) and Scott Hartman have suggested this for Archaeopteryx, and it may apply to the 'flying dromaeosaurids'. This would inhibit the flying/gliding aspect a great deal. However, if you add the hind leg feathers it takes up the missing convert area. I asked on vert paleo when converts first appeared, but I've gotten no reply to my question. How would not having converts effect the ability to glide/fly? Perhaps that is another area you and your co-authors can research?

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RE: Incorrect wing feathers?

devangel77b replied to dinohunter1 on 16 Jan 2014 at 15:46 GMT

Hello dinohunter1, and thanks for your interest in our work. We worked from the description and reconstruction of Microraptor in the original work by Xu et al (2003). While we did not report aerodynamic effects of removal of the tertials in this paper (coverts are the feathers covering the body), we do report the effects of removal of leg and tail feathers, which can alter typical L/D and stable equilibrium gliding estimates as well as stability and control effectiveness.

There are three things I can mention in response to how the absence of tertials might affect aerial behavior. First, absence would reduce area - generally making speeds higher and impacts faster; for certain birds that must fly to feed (like hummingbirds) molting can have some impact. The impact is less, however, on maneuvering as the remaining feathers are distal. I did some test ones with this and saw smaller changes in the control effectiveness, but did not do enough runs to report it due to limited time. Finally, the distal feathers move fast because the tip speed is like frequency * wingspan; since forces and torque go like speed^2, it is possible to move surfaces just a little faster to compensate for loss of surface proximally. I believe there are folks out there researching wing damage in both birds and insects who find this sort of thing; in some future work I plan to describe some observations of wing-clipped domestic fowl (when clipping wings in poultry, it is typical to keep the distal feathers for appearance sake and to allow the bird something to cover up with); there are also examples cited in the paper where animals without elaborated wing surfaces or any obvious morphological adaptations for flight still possess some ability to control aerial position.

So yes, absence of tertials would affect gliding or other aerial behaviors in some ways... but I believe an animal without tertials could still have a fair degree of aerial maneuvering capability. Thanks for your question!

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