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Posted by RichardWiseman on 03 Aug 2012 at 22:03 GMT

The literature on Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP) frequently describes an alleged relationship between eye movements and lying. We recently tested this claim and found no evidence to support it. When these results were published, several NLP practitioners argued that the claim was not prevalent in the NLP literature.

In fact, there exists considerable evidence to suggest that the alleged relationship does indeed form a key part of NLP. Mann et al. (2012) recently described the origin and prevalence of this alleged relationship. They note that the origin of the claim seems to come from work presented by Bandler and Grinder (1979) in their seminal NLP text 'Frogs into Princes'. Bandler and Grinder describe how they believe that looking up to the left indicates 'remembering', whilst looking up to the right indicates 'construction'. Mann et al. note that although Bandler and Grinder do not extend this notion to lying, several NLP practitioners have interpreted their comments in this context (see, for example, Gordon et al. (2002), Hess (1997), and Rhoads & Solomon (1987)).

In addition, Mann et al. note:
"The second author regularly gives workshops on lie detection (worldwide) and almost without exception, someone in the audience will raise the question about NLP eye movements and deception."

Coupled with the evidence cited in our original paper, it seems strange that some NLP practitioners now claim that the alleged relationship between lying and eye movements does not form a key aspect of NLP.

Will our data change the views of some NLP practitioners? We suspect not. Mann et al. (2012) describe the rather curious approach that the founding fathers of NLP have towards disconfirming data:

"Bandler and Grinder do not present any empirical evidence for their NLP claims, and express no interest in doing so. On page 7 of their book 'Frogs into Princes' they explain that they are not psychologists, theologians or theoreticians; that they have no idea about the real nature of things; and are not particularly interested in what’s true. Their aim is to describe something that is useful. They further report on page 7 that “If we happen to mention something that you know from a scientific study, or from statistics, is inaccurate, realise that a different level of experience is being offered you here. We’re not offering you something that’s true, just things that are useful.”"

References
Mann, S., Vrij, A., Nasholm, E., Warmelink, L., Leal, S. & Forrester, D. (2012). The direction of deception: Neuro-linguistic programming as a lie detection tool. Journal of Police and Criminal Psychology
Hess, J.E. (1997) Interviewing and interrogation for law enforcement. Anderson Publishing Co., Cincinnati, OH
Gordon, N.J., Felisher, W.L., Weinberg, C.D. (2002) Effective interviewing and interrogation techniques. Academic Press, San Diego, CA
Bandler. R. & Grinder. J. (1979) Frogs into princes. Real People Press, Moab, Utah
Rhoads, S.A. & Solomon, R. (1987) Subconscious rapport building: another approach to interviewing. Police Chief 4:39–41

Richard Wiseman & Caroline Watt

Competing interests declared: We are the first two authors of the paper

RE: Authors' reply

Nervsys replied to RichardWiseman on 05 Aug 2012 at 00:06 GMT

Richard, you say that the developers of NLP don't identify eye movements with lying but with remembered verses constructed images. I can't disagree with that.

You then choose 3 'authors', Mann, Hess and Gordon, whom I (as an NLP Master practitioner of 15 years) have never heard of, who have extrapolated this lying concept from Bandler and Grinders work.

How does you discrediting Mann, Hess, and Gordon, discredit Bandler and Grinder? It doesn't does it?

What you have done is no different to discrediting Islam due to a single suicide bombers interpretation of the Koran.

You cannot discredit someones work by discrediting someone elses interpretation (or misuse) of it.

As to Bandler and Grinders original stipulation, your experiment didn't reliably test constructed verses remembered images because (as I mentioned in my post) the 'lies' were generated before the test was performed.

Renaming the paper "Lie Detection and the views of Mann, Hess, and Gordon" would make it far more accurate.

Competing interests declared: NLP Master Practitioner of 15 years.